Poor Mothers crying Wa Wa

[DB]

Women make a fully conscience to decide to have unprotected sex and we all
have to pay for thier own decision.

The following are all replies that Detroit women have written on Child
Support Agency Forms in the section for listing 'father's details;' or
putting it another way..... Who's ya Daddy? "These are genuine excerpts from
the forms".


Be sure to check out #2, # 11 is runner-up.



1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, Makeeshia was fathered
by Maclearndon McKinley. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of
Marlinda, but I believe that she was

conceived on the same night.


2. I am unsure, as to the identity of the father of my child, as I was being
sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can provide you
with a list of names of men that I think were at the party if this helps.


3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was conceived
at a party at 3600 East Grand boulevard where I had sex with a man I met
that night. I do remember that the sex was so good that I fainted. If you do
manage to track down the father, can you please send me his phone number?
Thanks.
0A

4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter.. He drives a BMW
that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the doorpanels. Perhaps
you can contact BMW service stations in this area and see if he's had it
replaced.


5. I have never had sex with a man.. I am still a Virginian. I am awaiting a
letter from the Pope confirming that my son's conception was ejaculate and
that he is the Saver risen again.

6. I cannot tell you the name of Alleshia's dad as he informs me that to do
so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic implications for the
economy. I am torn between doing right by you and right by the country.
Please advise.

7. I do not know who the father of my child was as they all look the same to
me.


8. Tyrone Hairston is the father of child A If you do catch up with him; can
you ask him what he did with my AC/DC CDs? Child B who was also borned at
the same time..... well, I don't have clue.


9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney World;
maybe it really is a Magic Kingdom .


10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I remember for
sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in the evening. If I
had stayed in and watched more TV rather than going to the party at 8956
Miller Ave , mine might have remained unfertilized.


11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, like
when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.


Yep, you guessed it right - you are all paying taxes to support them.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by DB
Women make a fully conscience to decide to have unprotected sex and we all
have to pay for thier own decision.
The following are all replies that Detroit women have written on Child
Support Agency Forms in the section for listing 'father's details;' or
putting it another way..... Who's ya Daddy? "These are genuine excerpts from
the forms".
Be sure to check out #2, # 11 is runner-up.
1. Regarding the identity of the father of my twins, Makeeshia was fathered
by Maclearndon McKinley. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of
Marlinda, but I believe that she was
conceived on the same night.
2. I am unsure, as to the identity of the father of my child, as I was being
sick out of a window when taken unexpectedly from behind. I can provide you
with a list of names of men that I think were at the party if this helps.
3. I do not know the name of the father of my little girl. She was conceived
at a party at 3600 East Grand boulevard where I had sex with a man I met
that night. I do remember that the sex was so good that I fainted. If you do
manage to track down the father, can you please send me his phone number?
Thanks.
0A
4. I don't know the identity of the father of my daughter.. He drives a BMW
that now has a hole made by my stiletto in one of the doorpanels. Perhaps
you can contact BMW service stations in this area and see if he's had it
replaced.
5. I have never had sex with a man.. I am still a Virginian. I am awaiting a
letter from the Pope confirming that my son's conception was ejaculate and
that he is the Saver risen again.
6. I cannot tell you the name of Alleshia's dad as he informs me that to do
so would blow his cover and that would have cataclysmic implications for the
economy. I am torn between doing right by you and right by the country.
Please advise.
7. I do not know who the father of my child was as they all look the same to
me.
8. Tyrone Hairston is the father of child A If you do catch up with him; can
you ask him what he did with my AC/DC CDs? Child B who was also borned at
the same time..... well, I don't have clue.
9. From the dates it seems that my daughter was conceived at Disney World;
maybe it really is a Magic Kingdom .
10. So much about that night is a blur. The only thing that I remember for
sure is Delia Smith did a program about eggs earlier in the evening. If I
had stayed in and watched more TV rather than going to the party at 8956
Miller Ave , mine might have remained unfertilized.
11. I am unsure as to the identity of the father of my baby, after all, like
when you eat a can of beans you can't be sure which one made you fart.
Yep, you guessed it right - you are all paying taxes to support them.

Well at least #11 made me laugh, and it was less costly than a comedian
we will leave unnamed, that was not nearly as funny and wanted more money.

[DB]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283


Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

[a***@hushmail.com]

Post by r***@comcast.net

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

Too smart to marry him, but dumb enough to have sex with "the likes"
of him? And cruel enough, according to you, to bring a child into a
single-parent situation, which is tantamount to child abuse?

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by a***@hushmail.com

Post by r***@comcast.net

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

Too smart to marry him, but dumb enough to have sex with "the likes"
of him? And cruel enough, according to you, to bring a child into a
single-parent situation, which is tantamount to child abuse?

Wow, you got issues!

[a***@hushmail.com]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by a***@hushmail.com

Post by r***@comcast.net

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

Too smart to marry him, but dumb enough to have sex with "the likes"
of him?  And cruel enough, according to you, to bring a child into a
single-parent situation, which is tantamount to child abuse?

Wow, you got issues!

Let me guess, you aren't the captain of your school's debate team.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

Too smart to marry him, but dumb enough to have sex with "the likes"
of him? And cruel enough, according to you, to bring a child into a
single-parent situation, which is tantamount to child abuse?
---------------------------------------------------------------

yes they have sex and get themselves knocked up, then they scream to the
judge for money to help them raise their kid!

Why get married when they can have the government squeeze the money from the
male who has no say in that child's way of living.

[Chris]

Post by a***@hushmail.com

Post by r***@comcast.net

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

Too smart to marry him, but dumb enough to have sex with "the likes"
of him? And cruel enough, according to you, to bring a child into a
single-parent situation, which is tantamount to child abuse?
---------------------------------------------------------------
yes they have sex and get themselves knocked up, then they scream to the
judge for money to help them raise their kid!
Why get married when they can have the government squeeze the money from
the male who has no say in that child's way of living.

Not to mention, no say in whether or not such child exists in the first
place.
[Before anyone posts a foolish response, consider carefully what has just
been implied.]

[Chris]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

And "too smart" to not know how to earn money............... GIVE BIRTH!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by Chris

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

And "too smart" to not know how to earn money............... GIVE BIRTH!

Hey do us a favor and trim alt.politcs.economics from your mysoginist
love fest group, 'kay?

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Chris

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

Or they're too smart to get married to the likes of you?

And "too smart" to not know how to earn money............... GIVE BIRTH!

Hey do us a favor and trim alt.politcs.economics from your mysoginist
love fest group, 'kay?

Why, child support has a very negative impact on the economics of all
males.
It's the highest hidden tax the state government can impose and it costs the
tax payers $Billions in Fed tax dollars.

All Fathers in the child support system will not be buying any new cars,
houses, eating out as they don't have the extra money to spend. it's a
program of destitution and forced servitude!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
Why, child support has a very negative impact on the economics of all
males.

We don't care about your personal "economics".

Out side of your love fest group - here you just look like a lot of
one issue whiney guys with lots of excuses who won't man up for their
kids.

[Kenneth S.]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why, child support has a very negative impact on the economics of all
males.

We don't care about your personal "economics".
Out side of your love fest group - here you just look like a lot of
one issue whiney guys with lots of excuses who won't man up for their
kids.

There's that word "whiney" again! It's been several weeks
since "whiney" and "whining" have made their appearance in the
alt.child-support newsgroup. Is some kind of natural cycle at work
here? Anyone up for wagers about when the next round of "whiney"
references occurs in this news group?

The w-word seems to be popular with feminists who are very
insistent that WOMEN are entitled to all forms of post-conception
reproductive choice (via abortion, unilateral adoption, newborn
drop-off laws, and so on), regardless of the interests of the child.
However, these same feminists insist that MEN are not entitled to the
male version of post-conception choice. The male version of choice
consists of giving men the right to say that they will not pay 18+
years worth of money to a woman who made a unilateral decision to
have, and keep, the child involved.

And then there's Retrogrouch's criticism of those who won't
"man up" for their kids. This seems to be a variation of the
principle that real men are those who do what feminists tell them to
do -- provide financial support for their women.

Maybe the one issue of interest to people in this news group
is what is misleadingly called "child support." Is it possible that
this focus is connected with the fact that this news group has the
title "alt.child-support?" Just an idea, of course, but I thought I'd
mention it.

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by Kenneth S.
There's that word "whiney" again! It's been several weeks
since "whiney" and "whining" have made their appearance in the
alt.child-support newsgroup.

well I told you, trim alt.politics.economics and you won't see it. And
ya'll can get back to your love fest.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by r***@comcast.net
well I told you, trim alt.politics.economics and you won't see it.

..and also...

Post by r***@comcast.net
Hey do us a favor and trim alt.politcs.economics from your mysoginist
love fest group, 'kay?

You could have removed alt.politics.economics from your replies
yourself, but you left it in both times. Your desires, but someone
else's responsibility, eh?

[Clave]

Post by r***@comcast.net
well I told you, trim alt.politics.economics and you won't see it.

..and also...

Post by r***@comcast.net
Hey do us a favor and trim alt.politcs.economics from your mysoginist
love fest group, 'kay?

You could have removed alt.politics.economics from your replies
yourself, but you left it in both times. Your desires, but someone
else's responsibility, eh?
====================================================================

My guess is that HE WANTED YOU TO FUCKING READ THEM.

Frankly, tweaking you whiny-ass titty-baby deadbeat-wanna-be's has some mild
entertainment value, and I doubt anyone from the crossposted groups gives
enough of a damn about you to bother with header fixups.

Why not defy your stereotype as a bunch of misogynistic losers with a
collective victim mentality that thrives on self-pity and negative attention
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Ball's in your court, sport.

Jim

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by r***@comcast.net
well I told you, trim alt.politics.economics and you won't see it.

..and also...

Post by r***@comcast.net
Hey do us a favor and trim alt.politcs.economics from your mysoginist
love fest group, 'kay?

You could have removed alt.politics.economics from your replies
yourself, but you left it in both times.  Your desires, but someone
else's responsibility, eh?
====================================================================
My guess is that HE WANTED YOU TO FUCKING READ THEM.

Such language! But so ... manly.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Frankly, tweaking you whiny-ass titty-baby deadbeat-wanna-be's has some mild
entertainment value, and I doubt anyone from the crossposted groups gives
enough of a damn about you to bother with header fixups.

That's telling them, Clave!

Post by t***@gmail.com
Why not defy your stereotype as a bunch of misogynistic losers with a
collective victim mentality that thrives on self-pity and negative attention

oooh!

Post by t***@gmail.com
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Oh. So, despite all that verbal froth, the message is still the
same. Your desire, someone else's responsibility.

Post by t***@gmail.com
Ball's in your court, sport.

More language!

Post by t***@gmail.com
Jim

Ted

[Clave]

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6a1e1018-d407-4d48-941f-***@d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 3:56 pm, "Clave" <***@cablespeed.com>
wrote:

<...>

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Oh. So, despite all that verbal froth, the message is still the
same. Your desire, someone else's responsibility.

Um, no -- I TOLD you that tweaking your sad, knee-jerk asses is mildly
amusing.

Among your other rather obvious challenges, you don't read very well.

Jim

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Clave
<...>

Post by Clave
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Oh.  So, despite all that verbal froth, the message is still the
same.  Your desire, someone else's responsibility.

Um, no

Um, yes. Despite your attempt to dress it up as something else.

Post by Clave
-- I TOLD you that tweaking your sad, knee-jerk asses is mildly
amusing.
Among your other rather obvious challenges, you don't read very well.

Well, you should make allowances. Use more language, perhaps.

Post by Clave
Jim

Ted

[Clave]

Post by Clave
<...>

Post by Clave
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Oh. So, despite all that verbal froth, the message is still the
same. Your desire, someone else's responsibility.

Um, no

Um, yes. Despite your attempt to dress it up as something else...
=============================================

Wow -- your clueshield is indeed impressive. MilSpec perhaps?

Might I suggest that your lack of attention to what people actually say
could be a component of your current domestic situation?

Since you seem to need it spelled out in words with as few syllables as
possible: I give not two dry farts whether whiny little you and your whiny
little friends want to keep embarrassing your whiny little selves in
crossposts to newsgroups who aren't impressed by your victim herd mentality.
As I said before, watching people bat your whiny little asses around has
some small entertainment value, so I have no objection at all to where you
make your whiny little posts.

Pretend whatever else you need to get yourself to sleep, Peanut -- I'm going
to go make some popcorn.

Jim

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Clave
<...>

Post by Clave
and deal with the headers your own pathetic selves?

Oh. So, despite all that verbal froth, the message is still the
same. Your desire, someone else's responsibility.

Um, no

Um, yes.  Despite your attempt to dress it up as something else...
=============================================
Wow -- your clueshield is indeed impressive.  MilSpec perhaps?
Might I suggest that your lack of attention

I've read your offerings with close attention.

to what people actually say
could be a component of your current domestic situation?
Since you seem to need it spelled out in words with as few syllables as
possible: I give not two dry farts

Maybe not. But you certainly have posted a lot about it.

whether whiny little you and your whiny
little friends want to keep embarrassing your whiny little selves in
crossposts to newsgroups who aren't impressed by your victim herd mentality.
As I said before, watching people bat your whiny little asses around has
some small entertainment value, so I have no objection at all to where you
make your whiny little posts.
Pretend whatever else you need to get yourself to sleep, Peanut -- I'm going
to go make some popcorn.
Jim

[Clave]

<...>

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
Might I suggest that your lack of attention

I've read your offerings with close attention.

Nope. You continue to bibble stupid shit that has no connection to what
I've actually said, and you seem proud of that.

It's a fucking shame that someone as selfish and immature as you actually
bred. But your pattern of bad decisions continues into this very minute,
doesn't it?

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
to what people actually say
could be a component of your current domestic situation?

Heh. Non-response noted.

Did I strike a nerve there?

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
Since you seem to need it spelled out in words with as few syllables as
possible: I give not two dry farts

Maybe not. But you certainly have posted a lot about it.

*THREE* posts is "a lot"? Well, four counting this, if you really need to
validate your importance.

Like I said, keep entertaining us with your self-pity and victimhood.

Jim

[t***@gmail.com]

<...>

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
Might I suggest that your lack of attention

I've read your offerings with close attention.

Nope.  You continue to bibble stupid shit that has no connection to what
I've actually said, and you seem proud of that.

So let's clarify what you really mean.

"Your desire, someone else's responsibility"

If someone wants something, to what extent, in your opinion, is it
the responsibility of someone else to provide it? (In a general
sense; forget fiddling around with newsgroup headers.)

It's a fucking shame that someone as selfish and immature as you actually
bred.  But your pattern of bad decisions continues into this very minute,
doesn't it?

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
 to what people actually say
could be a component of your current domestic situation?

Heh.  Non-response noted.
Did I strike a nerve there?

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Clave
Since you seem to need it spelled out in words with as few syllables as
possible: I give not two dry farts

Maybe not.  But you certainly have posted a lot about it.

*THREE* posts is "a lot"?  Well, four counting this, if you really need to
validate your importance.
Like I said, keep entertaining us with your self-pity and victimhood.
Jim

[Clave]

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6500b94c-cd03-4427-bf5e-***@z16g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 7:36 pm, "Clave" <***@cablespeed.com>
wrote:

<...>

Post by t***@gmail.com

Nope. You continue to bibble stupid shit that has no connection to what
I've actually said, and you seem proud of that.

So let's clarify what you really mean.
"Your desire, someone else's responsibility"
If someone wants something, to what extent, in your opinion, is it
the responsibility of someone else to provide it?

You seem to think by repeating that non sequitur over and over it'll
suddenly be germane to anything I've said.

It won't.

Jim

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Clave
<...>

Post by t***@gmail.com

Nope. You continue to bibble stupid shit that has no connection to what
I've actually said, and you seem proud of that.

So let's clarify what you really mean.
"Your desire, someone else's responsibility"
If someone wants something, to what extent, in your opinion, is it
the responsibility of someone else to provide it?

You seem to think by repeating that non sequitur over and over it'll
suddenly be germane to anything I've said.

It's the third time I've written that.

Post by Clave
It won't.

Inadequate response noted.

Post by Clave
Jim

[Clave]

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:23ad8264-b3a8-4e99-ac07-***@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On May 19, 12:02 pm, "Clave" <***@cablespeed.com>
wrote:

<...>

Post by Clave
You seem to think by repeating that non sequitur over and over it'll
suddenly be germane to anything I've said.

It's the third time I've written that...

And it's been a conversational non sequitur every time, fricking duh.

I've known four-year-olds who could follow a conversation better than you.

Jim

[Clave]

Post by Clave
<...>

Post by Clave
You seem to think by repeating that non sequitur over and over it'll
suddenly be germane to anything I've said.

It's the third time I've written that...

And it's been a conversational non sequitur every time, fricking duh.
I've known four-year-olds who could follow a conversation better than you.

And who whined less.

Jim

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why, child support has a very negative impact on the economics of all
males.

We don't care about your personal "economics".

Why don't "we" You seem to want his *PERSONAL* money when it comes to
income tax.

Post by r***@comcast.net
Out side of your love fest group - here you just look like a lot of
one issue whiney guys with lots of excuses who won't man up for their
kids.

[b***@gmail.com]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I don't think NOT knowing the identity of the father is a "meal
ticket". How does it work to their benifit to not establish an order
of support? No identity, no DNA, no father=No Child Support.
I'm sure if welfare was paying a lot of money, people getting it
wouldn't be poor.

[DB]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb ass women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I don't think NOT knowing the identity of the father is a "meal
ticket". How does it work to their benifit to not establish an order
of support? No identity, no DNA, no father=No Child Support.
I'm sure if welfare was paying a lot of money, people getting it
wouldn't be poor.
--------------------------------------------------------------

It's a meal ticket if the sperm donor earns a decent living, it gives them
access to 60% of his income!

[Chris]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?so...
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I don't think NOT knowing the identity of the father is a "meal
ticket". How does it work to their benifit to not establish an order
of support? No identity, no DNA, no father=No Child Support.
I'm sure if welfare was paying a lot of money, people getting it
wouldn't be poor.

**************

They're poor because they are foolish with the free loot. "A fool and their
money.............".

[Kenneth S.]

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.

Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.

DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

[DB]

Post by Kenneth S.

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.
Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.
DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

The Child Support system is the most concealed system that directly effects
millions of male citizens who will come under direct government control.
Every unwed birth is another license for the State to extract 60% of a
male's income. Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!

Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.

Wonderful society you have here!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.

Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[denali]

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you just
must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and jack off
or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.
Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[r***@comcast.net]

The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

But they bitch about it forever!!

get a life already.

(Now watch the string of I would but she took it whines.)

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you just
must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and jack off
or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.
Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We'll remember that everytime a few cents is added to the gas tax and other
vital taxes needed to run the country.

Just imagine taking home $300 per month after the Government tells you to
pay your fair share.
Americans are a Nation of Deadbeats, they can point the finger at no one!

[Phil]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We'll remember that everytime a few cents is added to the gas tax and
other vital taxes needed to run the country.
Just imagine taking home $300 per month after the Government tells you
to pay your fair share.
Americans are a Nation of Deadbeats, they can point the finger at no one!

You're right DB. When they have to pay an extra $50/month for gas, they
go ballistic yet when their neighbor pays $1000/month extra to the
mother of his children who see little or no benefit from the money, they
think of it as if it were fitting and proper. This is the group that
votes, which is why half the children in America don't live under the
same roof as their father and why America is falling apart.
Phil #3

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Phil

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We'll remember that everytime a few cents is added to the gas tax and
other vital taxes needed to run the country.
Just imagine taking home $300 per month after the Government tells you
to pay your fair share.
Americans are a Nation of Deadbeats, they can point the finger at no one!

You're right DB. When they have to pay an extra $50/month for gas, they
go ballistic yet when their neighbor pays $1000/month extra to the
mother of his children who see little or no benefit from the money, they
think of it as if it were fitting and proper. This is the group that
votes, which is why half the children in America don't live under the
same roof as their father

Yikes! Is that really the figure? If true, that shows a gross
distortion in American society.

Post by Phil
and why America is falling apart.
Phil #3

[Phil]

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We're not bitching but trying to find a way to insure all citizens have
equal rights, not just women.
Of course some people see "equal" as infringing upon women's rights,
which it would.

Post by r***@comcast.net
But they bitch about it forever!

We live it forever. DUH. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are
you?

Post by r***@comcast.net
get a life already.

Ok, exactly how? I'm sure you think it is of little consequence that
thousands of fathers are not allowed to BE fathers because of rampant
and legal vengeance. I doubt you care as long as women get, men give.

Post by r***@comcast.net
(Now watch the string of I would but she took it whines.)

Your turn may be coming... unless you are female (which I highly
suspect, given your misandry).

Some day you will hopefully regain consciousness.
Phil #3

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you just
must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and jack off
or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just
because
of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next
18
years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him
as
they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.
Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by Phil

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We're not bitching but trying to find a way to insure all citizens have
equal rights, not just women.
Of course some people see "equal" as infringing upon women's rights,
which it would.

Post by r***@comcast.net
But they bitch about it forever!

We live it forever. DUH. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are
you?

Post by r***@comcast.net
get a life already.

Ok, exactly how? I'm sure you think it is of little consequence that
thousands of fathers are not allowed to BE fathers because of rampant
and legal vengeance. I doubt you care as long as women get, men give.

Post by r***@comcast.net
(Now watch the string of I would but she took it whines.)

Your turn may be coming... unless you are female (which I highly
suspect, given your misandry).

Are you going to spend your whole life being a victim? Or are you
going to get on with your life?

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil

Post by r***@comcast.net
The interesting thing is they form groups and bitch about it ad
infinitum. Get a life. Get on with it. These are people who are likely
to tell others "life isn't fair" "suck it up or fuck off".

We're not bitching but trying to find a way to insure all citizens have
equal rights, not just women.
Of course some people see "equal" as infringing upon women's rights,
which it would.

Post by r***@comcast.net
But they bitch about it forever!

We live it forever. DUH. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are
you?

Post by r***@comcast.net
get a life already.

Ok, exactly how? I'm sure you think it is of little consequence that
thousands of fathers are not allowed to BE fathers because of rampant
and legal vengeance. I doubt you care as long as women get, men give.

Post by r***@comcast.net
(Now watch the string of I would but she took it whines.)

Your turn may be coming... unless you are female (which I highly
suspect, given your misandry).

Are you going to spend your whole life being a victim? Or are you
going to get on with your life?

Our lives have been taken from us, we have no choice!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Your turn may be coming... unless you are female (which I highly
suspect, given your misandry).

Are you going to spend your whole life being a victim? Or are you
going to get on with your life?

Our lives have been taken from us, we have no choice!

Waaaah. SO the answer is A. I understand. I've seen DB doing this act
for years. No wonder you guys . . . Oh never mind.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Your turn may be coming... unless you are female (which I highly
suspect, given your misandry).

Are you going to spend your whole life being a victim? Or are you
going to get on with your life?

Our lives have been taken from us, we have no choice!

Waaaah. SO the answer is A. I understand. I've seen DB doing this act
for years. No wonder you guys . . . Oh never mind.

It's only when everyone wakes up and realizes that if you take a majority of
male citizen's independence, you have no society worth living in.

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
Waaaah. SO the answer is A. I understand. I've seen DB doing this act
for years. No wonder you guys . . . Oh never mind.

It's only when everyone wakes up and realizes that if you take a majority of
male citizen's independence, you have no society worth living in.

A majority of males are responsible enough not to father kids they
won't support. And will support the ones they father.

You really want to define yourself as a victim for the rest of your
life it seems. It's probably better you not be around your kids too
much, that sort of weak spined whininess is not a good example of what
it means to be a man or a parent.

[DB]

The female will have sex with anyone she wants, even unprotected sex, her
total choice!

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you
just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and
jack off or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.
Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
The female will have sex with anyone she wants, even unprotected sex, her
total choice!

Amusing you dodge the responsibility he asks about by dumping it on
the female. You seem incredibly responsibility adverse.

Hence you're flogging these groups for years now.

Post by DB

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you
just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and
jack off or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

[Phil]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
The female will have sex with anyone she wants, even unprotected sex, her
total choice!

Amusing you dodge the responsibility he asks about by dumping it on
the female. You seem incredibly responsibility adverse.

Hardly, you are blaming men for the choices only women can make. Typical
feminism.
FYI, women as well as men decide to have unprotected sex. Big surprise,
I know but there it is.
Also, women UNILATERALLY decide when a preganancy will become a living,
breathing child.
Mother are given custody automatically and the promise of financial
reward almost as autmatically.
Obviously, you don't even have a clue and don't know where to buy one.
Phil #3

Post by r***@comcast.net
Hence you're flogging these groups for years now.

Post by DB

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew that was a
possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is something you
just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and read a book and
jack off or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

[t***@gmail.com]

This makes me so angry....  I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

 Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.  

Then there would be no children

Nobody forced you to father the child,

So, for the purpose of discussion, assume that he wanted the child.

you knew that was a
possibility when you did this.

Yes

 You guys act like this is something you just
must do given the opportunity.

Gibberish

 WTF?

What indeed?

 Go home and read a book

I approve of reading books

and jack off

Tsk tsk

or whatever.

 RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Yep

[DB]

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------

No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.

The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

Whether that's the reason, or for any other reason for that matter, a
lower birthrate will in the long run lead to the replacement of the
current ethnic mix with an immigrant one. However, I suspect that the
immigrants will eventually adopt the habits of the host population and
themselves see a fall in birthrate (and be replaced in turn by
others).

[DB]

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

Whether that's the reason, or for any other reason for that matter, a
lower birthrate will in the long run lead to the replacement of the
current ethnic mix with an immigrant one. However, I suspect that the
immigrants will eventually adopt the habits of the host population and
themselves see a fall in birthrate (and be replaced in turn by
others).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Seeing as it's only the poor that have to sit in prison because they cannot
afford the government's high extortion rates for C$, this is going to cost
the tax payers much more in the future.
Amerika is no longer the land of the Free, more like the land of the
Fee..........and lifetime debt.

[[e-mail]]

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

For guys who are not trying to hide from responsibility for their kids
the numbers are higher than 18 years and 60% of our income. Sounds
like you are getting a break and still whining about it.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by ***@XXX.COM

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

For guys who are not trying to hide from responsibility for their kids
the numbers are higher than 18 years and 60% of our income.

Correct. In the long run, the only lasting contribution you can make
to the future is through children. So you can consider it to be all
of your life and all of your income.

Post by ***@XXX.COM
Sounds
like you are getting a break and still whining about it.

No he is not getting a break. The income taken from him does not
necessarily go for the benefit of his children. Much of it is
diverted to nourishing an increasingly parasitic system.

[Bob W]

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

For guys who are not trying to hide from responsibility for their kids
the numbers are higher than 18 years and 60% of our income. Sounds
like you are getting a break and still whining about it.

======

You've posted your nonsense theories of child rearing expenditures several
times and even though you get corrected each time with actual child rearing
expenditure data you just ignore the facts and come back with the same
nonsense.

The Betson 2006 Estimates using the Rothbarth Methodology documents parental
expenditures on children are 25% for one child, 37% on two children, and 44%
on three children. Those percentages are from BOTH parents combined
incomes.

To suggest that a divorced, separated, or never married father should pay at
least 60% of his income to raise a child is ludicrous.

[[e-mail]]

Post by ***@XXX.COM

Post by t***@gmail.com

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would the
male have sex in the first place?

To have children

Keep it in your pants, wear a condom,
whatever.

Then there would be no children
--------------------------------------------------------------
No worries there, there will be enough Mexican children to take the country
over in a couple decades.
The white male will figure out it's too financally risky to have unwanted
children, 18 years is too long to pay out 60% on their income.

For guys who are not trying to hide from responsibility for their kids
the numbers are higher than 18 years and 60% of our income. Sounds
like you are getting a break and still whining about it.
======
You've posted your nonsense theories of child rearing expenditures several
times and even though you get corrected each time with actual child rearing
expenditure data you just ignore the facts and come back with the same
nonsense.

Are you my accountant? Can you understand anything that doesn't
support the group whine going on here? I know how much of my income
goes towards my kids and it is far more than 60%. I also know that I
will be supporting kids for the next 20 something years until they are
21 and out of college.

Post by ***@XXX.COM
The Betson 2006 Estimates using the Rothbarth Methodology documents parental
expenditures on children are 25% for one child, 37% on two children, and 44%
on three children.  Those percentages are from BOTH parents combined
incomes.
To suggest that a divorced, separated, or never married father should pay at
least 60% of his income to raise a child is ludicrous.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'm not suggesting anything, I do it and have no problem paying
whatever % it is, I don't care if your kids starve or go to school, go
hide in mexico and let them fend for themselves. I know plenty of
parents with kids who spend more than 100% of their income on their
kids, including credit cards and loans for college. They don't care
about your 60% or your whining because that is your responsibility.

[DB]

Post by Bob W
The Betson 2006 Estimates using the Rothbarth Methodology documents
parental expenditures on children are 25% for one child, 37% on two
children, and 44% on three children. Those percentages are from BOTH
parents combined incomes.
To suggest that a divorced, separated, or never married father should pay
at least 60% of his income to raise a child is ludicrous.

Even worse, a Father that is laid off thru no fault of his own is still
expected to keep up the same payments, even when forced to take a lower
paying job.

Yes, Child support is all about economics and politics too.
It's the worst hidden tax ever and an abuse of authority as well!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
Even worse, a Father that is laid off thru no fault of his own is still
expected to keep up the same payments, even when forced to take a lower
paying job.

Nonsense you can petition for a change based on change in
circumstance. But you don't get to drop below the minimal needs of
YOUR kid. That's part of being a parent. Sorry your offspring are
eating into your beer budget.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Even worse, a Father that is laid off thru no fault of his own is still
expected to keep up the same payments, even when forced to take a lower
paying job.

Nonsense you can petition for a change based on change in
circumstance. But you don't get to drop below the minimal needs of
YOUR kid. That's part of being a parent. Sorry your offspring are
eating into your beer budget.

Is that so, and you know this how?

[Clave]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Even worse, a Father that is laid off thru no fault of his own is still
expected to keep up the same payments, even when forced to take a lower
paying job.

Nonsense you can petition for a change based on change in
circumstance. But you don't get to drop below the minimal needs of
YOUR kid. That's part of being a parent. Sorry your offspring are
eating into your beer budget.

Is that so, and you know this how?

I'm gusssing that he assumes you can't possibly be posting shit this stupid
while sober.

I think you can, but I could be wrong.

Jim

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Even worse, a Father that is laid off thru no fault of his own is still
expected to keep up the same payments, even when forced to take a lower
paying job.

Nonsense you can petition for a change based on change in
circumstance. But you don't get to drop below the minimal needs of
YOUR kid. That's part of being a parent. Sorry your offspring are
eating into your beer budget.

Is that so, and you know this how?

I was a lawyer for years. I actually now do family mediation,
parenting plans, things like that. I've seen it all.

http://www.google.com/search?q=child+support+change+in+circumstance+petition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&
See?

I especially like this one:
"Explain what the change of circumstances is. Here are some examples
of a change in circumstance: “I was earning $______ per when the child
support order was ..."

[Phil]

Post by denali
This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are
the only ones who have the choices about 1) a child being born; 2)
keeping the child even if it means rearing them in poverty; 3) demanding
that some man (any man) or the government support the results of their
unilateral decision.
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

Phil #3

Post by denali
or whatever. RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Ah yes, there's always forced servitude!
Fact is, people are not going to have a successful marriage just because of
a mistake..
The reality is, girl gets herself knocked up, boy pays for the next 18 years
and the State government has no problem extorting the money from him as they
make a huge profit from the Feds.
Wonderful society you have here!

And the guy has no responsibility. You amaze me. "Girl gets herself
knocked up". An irresponsible guy like you has nothing to do with
that, right? And the kids brought into the world, he/she is just an
inconvenience and drain on your money and play time? It's all about
you right? Fuck the kids.
Sheesh. You've made irresponsibility a religion. Fucking buy a condom
next time.

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

WAaaaaaa my gas went up!
WAaaaaaa I lost my house to foreclosure!
WAaaaaaa, I have to pay more road taxes!
WAaaaaaa, we're over 10 $Trillion in debt.
WAaaaaaa, companies and banks are closing
WAaaaaaa, we are all a nation of whiners, why is my whining any less
relevant?

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

WAaaaaaa my gas went up!
WAaaaaaa I lost my house to foreclosure!
WAaaaaaa, I have to pay more road taxes!
WAaaaaaa, we're over 10 $Trillion in debt.
WAaaaaaa, companies and banks are closing
WAaaaaaa, we are all a nation of whiners, why is my whining any less
relevant?

Ah I see your a Phil Gramm Republican. LOL.

You fathered kids. Take some fucking responsibility.

[Clave]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

WAaaaaaa my gas went up!
WAaaaaaa I lost my house to foreclosure!
WAaaaaaa, I have to pay more road taxes!
WAaaaaaa, we're over 10 $Trillion in debt.
WAaaaaaa, companies and banks are closing
WAaaaaaa, we are all a nation of whiners, why is my whining any less
relevant?

"WAAAAAAAAH! I don't want to take care of my kids!"

Yeah, it's amazing how people take that last one so differently.

Jim

[DB]

Post by Clave

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

WAaaaaaa my gas went up!
WAaaaaaa I lost my house to foreclosure!
WAaaaaaa, I have to pay more road taxes!
WAaaaaaa, we're over 10 $Trillion in debt.
WAaaaaaa, companies and banks are closing
WAaaaaaa, we are all a nation of whiners, why is my whining any less
relevant?

"WAAAAAAAAH! I don't want to take care of my kids!"
Yeah, it's amazing how people take that last one so differently.

I'll decide how to take careof my kids, we don't need the government telling
us how!
Read this and tell me how good the government system is?

http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=3293

[Clave]

Post by DB

Post by Clave

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by Phil
Same old shit: 'men are guilty (of everything) and women are stupid and
helpless victims'.

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

WAaaaaaa my gas went up!
WAaaaaaa I lost my house to foreclosure!
WAaaaaaa, I have to pay more road taxes!
WAaaaaaa, we're over 10 $Trillion in debt.
WAaaaaaa, companies and banks are closing
WAaaaaaa, we are all a nation of whiners, why is my whining any less
relevant?

"WAAAAAAAAH! I don't want to take care of my kids!"
Yeah, it's amazing how people take that last one so differently.

I'll decide how to take careof my kids, we don't need the government
telling us how!

So you don't want to talk about whining equivalence any more. That may be
the first smart thing you've done in this thread.

Anyway, the laws are the way they are *because* of people like you.

Grow a pair, man up and show your kids how a man handles responsibility
(hint -- it has nothing to do with whining day after day about how "life
done me wrong" on Usenet).

Jim

[r***@comcast.net]

On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

[Clave]

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

Well that's the whole deal, innit?

Can you imagine their kids running across these threads when they're older
and realizing what a financial *inconvenience* they were to their own
emotionally-stunted fathers?

It'd be a rare kid who wouldn't come off that shit without scars.

Jim

[Clave]

Post by Clave

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

Well that's the whole deal, innit?
Can you imagine their kids running across these threads when they're older
and realizing what a financial *inconvenience* they were to their own
emotionally-stunted fathers?
It'd be a rare kid who wouldn't come off that shit without scars.

^
would

You know what I meant.

Jim

[r***@comcast.net]

On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:34:56 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
Can you imagine their kids running across these threads when they're older
and realizing what a financial *inconvenience* they were to their own
emotionally-stunted fathers?
It'd be a rare kid who wouldn't come off that shit without scars.

Maybe they should have just named 'em "Sue"?

COurse lots of these guys didn't stick around to be part of the naming
I'm guessing.

[DB]

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

IS this a real enough man for you?
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=3293

Proves Retro was lying!

[Clave]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

IS this a real enough man for you?
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=3293
Proves Retro was lying!

I don't click blind links.

What does it say?

Jim

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

IS this a real enough man for you?
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=3293
Proves Retro was lying!

What? It doesn't even say what his child support payments are (rather
typical FOX news style. What you think because a court denied his
petition no one qualifies?

Of course if you're a whiney belligerent ass when you go to the judge
. . . well

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB

Post by r***@comcast.net
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:18:12 -0700, "Clave"

Post by Clave
show your kids how a man handles responsibility

Bingo!

IS this a real enough man for you?
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=3293
Proves Retro was lying!

Wow - what a choice - "real man" aye?

I hope this isn't the same Christopher Rood
Man Charged in Stabbing of Wife, Daughter
LOMBARD, Ill. (STNG) -- A man has been charged in the stabbing of his
wife and 20-year-old daughter during a domestic dispute early Sunday
in west suburban Lombard, police said. Christopher Rood, 45, was
charged Sunday with home invasion and...
Posted in Court Report on September 29, 2008 12:19 AM
http://www.courtnewsreport.com/cgi-bin/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&search=were


I could imagine that might effect your child support.

Oh by the way - the link form your link shows a table with 3, 500
modifications a year in the county. I guess it's happening, aye?
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/only_on_fox/child_support_in_bad_economy_05_04_2009

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by DB
I'll decide how to take careof my kids, we don't need the government telling
us how!

Chuckle or if, right?

[[e-mail]]

Post by Phil

This makes me so angry....  I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place?  Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever.  Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this.  You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity.  WTF?  Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are

Do you need to lie about everything to promote your agenda?" That
advice is given CONSTANTLY to irresponsible women who have kids and
complain about providing for them. Very often that advice is given to
women by the whiners in your group. It is good advice for
irresponsible people. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them.

Selling responsibility to irresponsible whiners is a tough sell
regardless of their sex.

[Kenneth S.]

Post by ***@XXX.COM

Post by Phil

This makes me so angry....  I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place?  Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever.  Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this.  You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity.  WTF?  Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are

Do you need to lie about everything to promote your agenda?" That
advice is given CONSTANTLY to irresponsible women who have kids and
complain about providing for them. Very often that advice is given to
women by the whiners in your group. It is good advice for
irresponsible people. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them.
Selling responsibility to irresponsible whiners is a tough sell
regardless of their sex.

Dtombanjo is baaack in alt.child-support, accompanied by her
favorite word "whine," which apparently is an activity of which only
men are guilty!

But when Dtombanjo seems to have no answer to the question of
why WOMEN are entitled to post-conception reproductive choice, via
abortion, unilateral adoption, etc., but MEN must be denied their form
of post-conception reproductive choice. The male form of choice
would consist of the ability for a man to renounce his responsibility
to pay "child support" to a woman who made a unilateral decision in
this matter.

In fact, the irresponsible women Dtombanjo mentions are told
they DON'T have to provide for children they bring into the world.
Instead, they're told they can shuffle off that responsibility, via
"child support," onto the men who had no say in the matter.

In my view, there's no escaping the logic that, if women are
constitutionally entitled to post-conception reproductive choice, then
men are entitled to it also. In fact, there's a stronger case for men
to have post-conception choice. Men's form of post-conception choice
(legally renouncing their "child support" obligation) is a legal
transaction that would never involve the death of the child.

Of course, there's a real moral question about whether women
should be able unilaterally to end the existence of an unborn child.
But that's another issue.

[[e-mail]]

         Dtombanjo is baaack in alt.child-support, accompanied by her
favorite word  "whine," which apparently is an activity of which only
men are guilty!

If you can show me where I said that I will stop considering you a
liar. Fair enough?

        But when Dtombanjo seems to have no answer to the question of
why WOMEN are entitled to post-conception reproductive choice, via
abortion, unilateral adoption, etc., but MEN must be denied their form
of  post-conception reproductive choice.

Nobody gets a choice about what I do with my body except me. When you
argue that women can force you to have a procedure done that makes you
sterile then you can decide that a woman must have a medical
procedure. The world has always been this way and it is pretty fair.
Unfortunately for the irresponsible, with the rights comes
responsibilities. If a woman went to court and said "I told him to cut
his balls off before we had sex and he refused" would you side with
her? Since this is the first time you've asked this question your
whole "seems to have no answer ... " statement is just another lie.

 The male form of choice
would consist of the ability for a man to renounce his responsibility
to pay "child support" to a woman who made a  unilateral decision in
this matter.

If the guy had no idea that unprotected sex could cause a baby then
the guy made a decision too and therefore has some responsibilities.

        In fact, the irresponsible women Dtombanjo mentions are told
they DON'T have to provide for children they bring into the world.
Instead, they're told they can shuffle off that responsibility, via
"child support,"  onto the men who had no say in the matter.

The same way some men can avoid paying child support. They aren't
whining about it, they are just evading. Women who have kids they
can't afford are told the same thing that you are being told when you
post outside your little whiny choir. So you are avoiding the point
that you are unable to address. The point being that "People criticize
men who are irresponsible but not women" So rather than try to change
the subject admit you are wrong and admit that women are criticized
just like men.

        In my view, there's no escaping the logic that, if women are
constitutionally entitled to post-conception reproductive choice, then
men are entitled to it also.

Women and men are both entitled to decide what medical procedures are
performed on them. Nobody else in the world can force you to have a
vasectomy just like nobody can force a woman to have an abortion. Your
point is bullshit no matter how tightly you cling to it.

[DB]

Post by Phil

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are

Do you need to lie about everything to promote your agenda?" That
advice is given CONSTANTLY to irresponsible women who have kids and
complain about providing for them. Very often that advice is given to
women by the whiners in your group. It is good advice for
irresponsible people. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

News flash, only women can have kids, they have the final say!

[[e-mail]]

Post by ***@XXX.COM

Post by Phil

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are

Do you need to lie about everything to promote your agenda?" That
advice is given CONSTANTLY to irresponsible women who have kids and
complain about providing for them. Very often that advice is given to
women by the whiners in your group. It is good advice for
irresponsible people. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----
News flash, only women can have kids, they have the final say!

They can't do it without sperm, but cling to your stupid agenda if it
makes you feel like a better victim.

[denali]

Newsflash... Only men can MAKE babies, by choice, i.e. no condom, it is
their responsibility at the time of the act, yet they are unable to be
responsible period.
I am divorced, recently after 27 years of marriage, 3 kids, 2 grown. No way
do I get 60% of his income. Please grow up. I am doing everything on my
own. You guys are totally unbelievable. Every single time you have sex,
you are aware that it could result in pregnancy. I learned this when I was
7 years old. Did you somehow miss something? It's every bit as much your
responsibility as the female to control what happens.

Post by ***@XXX.COM

Post by Phil

This makes me so angry.... I NEVER respond to groups, but why would
the male have sex in the first place? Keep it in your pants, wear a
condom, whatever. Nobody forced you to father the child, you knew
that was a possibility when you did this. You guys act like this is
something you just must do given the opportunity. WTF? Go home and
read a book and jack off

The same advice given to men above never seems to apply to women who are

Do you need to lie about everything to promote your agenda?" That
advice is given CONSTANTLY to irresponsible women who have kids and
complain about providing for them. Very often that advice is given to
women by the whiners in your group. It is good advice for
irresponsible people. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
News flash, only women can have kids, they have the final say!

[r***@comcast.net]

Post by denali
Newsflash... Only men can MAKE babies, by choice, i.e. no condom, it is
their responsibility at the time of the act, yet they are unable to be
responsible period.
I am divorced, recently after 27 years of marriage, 3 kids, 2 grown. No way
do I get 60% of his income. Please grow up. I am doing everything on my
own. You guys are totally unbelievable. Every single time you have sex,
you are aware that it could result in pregnancy. I learned this when I was
7 years old. Did you somehow miss something? It's every bit as much your
responsibility as the female to control what happens.

It's all about them. Pregnancy is about "her".

Until later, after court. The guys just have no prefrontal cortex.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by r***@comcast.net

Post by DB
Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Not if he wants to be a father and a husband. And knows how.

Hire a surrogate..... Because it costs less than a divorce and child
support, lawyers and Judges, and support to a nasty hate-filled bitch.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by DB

Post by Kenneth S.

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.
Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.
DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

The Child Support system is the most concealed system that directly effects
millions of male citizens who will come under direct government control.
Every unwed birth is another license for the State to extract 60% of a
male's income. Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Teach all the young men you know..... Get "fixed" or get financially raped.

[DB]

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by DB

Post by Kenneth S.

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.
Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.
DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

The Child Support system is the most concealed system that directly effects
millions of male citizens who will come under direct government control.
Every unwed birth is another license for the State to extract 60% of a
male's income. Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Teach all the young men you know..... Get "fixed" or get financially raped.

Where will all the future tax payers come from and who will pay our debts?

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by DB

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by DB

Post by Kenneth S.

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.
Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.
DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

The Child Support system is the most concealed system that directly effects
millions of male citizens who will come under direct government control.
Every unwed birth is another license for the State to extract 60% of a
male's income. Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Teach all the young men you know..... Get "fixed" or get financially raped.

Where will all the future tax payers come from and who will pay our debts?

Who cares, Obama sure hasn't worried about repaying the debt.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by DB

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by DB

Post by Kenneth S.

Post by DB
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/13/health/main5011283.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_5011283
Looks like a lot of dumb as women don't know how to use birth control or
maybe it's a meal ticket for them?

I find it interesting that none of the news stories I have
read about the increased proportion of unmarried mothers said anything
about the attitude of the fathers.
Did the mothers consult them before deliberately getting
pregnant, and letting the pregnancies proceed to childbirth? Not a
word about the possibility that 18+ years of "child support" were
imposed on these men without their consent.
DB's meal ticket point apparently never entered the heads of
the reporters who wrote the stories.

The Child Support system is the most concealed system that directly effects
millions of male citizens who will come under direct government control.
Every unwed birth is another license for the State to extract 60% of a
male's income. Why is not being taught in the schools, a baby will
financially ruin any male's future!

Teach all the young men you know..... Get "fixed" or get financially raped.

Where will all the future tax payers come from and who will pay our debts?

Who cares, Obama sure hasn't worried about repaying the debt.

Who's paying for their mortgages?

Government will simply print more dollars. Our job as Men, is *NOT* to
care about who pays taxes. The government tells us that they will
extract what they need from wherever and whom ever they think should be
taxed.

[Day Brown]

Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Just pay women to be sterilized.

[Day Brown]

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Just pay women to be sterilized.

Well you could, and in some cases certainly recommended. But lots of dim
bulbs nevertheless have perfectly competent maternal instincts that
could be used to raise kids who grow up to be competent productive
workers. The competent productive women who produce the eggs with this
kind of mtDNA endowment are already too busy working and creating
profits for the private sector to be having babies and raising kids.

[DB]

Post by Day Brown

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Just pay women to be sterilized.

Well you could, and in some cases certainly recommended. But lots of dim
bulbs nevertheless have perfectly competent maternal instincts that could
be used to raise kids who grow up to be competent productive workers. The
competent productive women who produce the eggs with this kind of mtDNA
endowment are already too busy working and creating profits for the
private sector to be having babies and raising kids.

Workers meaning minimum wage jobs as the good paying jobs are gone?
Has it come to the point where you have to have a government job to get a
decent wage these days?

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Give women a house if they will be sterilized. The government owns
plenty of empty houses. Then later they can give out cars from when GM
fails.

[Phil]

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Give women a house if they will be sterilized. The government owns
plenty of empty houses. Then later they can give out cars from when GM
fails.

They already get these in divorce.
Won't garner much attention to give what they already have.
Phil #3

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Post by Phil

Post by Beam Me Up Scotty

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers pay
to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

Give women a house if they will be sterilized. The government owns
plenty of empty houses. Then later they can give out cars from when GM
fails.

They already get these in divorce.
Won't garner much attention to give what they already have.
Phil #3

true enough

[Phil]

Post by Day Brown
Well, since the bastards are gonna be raised on welfare anyway, why
dont we bribe women to use fertility clinics? The kids the taxpayers
pay to be raised would be gonzo smarter and worth it.

They won't be any smarter, probably dumber. Worth depends on value.
These little welfare mongers have none except to keep prisons filled and
police employed.
Phil #3