Discussion:
Lesson Learned, I'm Glad I'm a Good Person
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Moderator
2009-07-03 22:42:43 UTC
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If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
10x
2009-07-05 14:29:16 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
Meldon
2009-07-05 15:26:35 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
I understand the position of your argument and don’t disagree with
your observations having been a person who has lived and who’s child
has lived under a misuse of the Family Law. I believe there is a lot
of corruption present in both politics, the legislative process and in
the form those who approach the law with criminal intent. Despite our
shared observations, I can’t forget about the intent of the law to
uphold justice.

The tasing incident at Vancouver airport after some public outcry led
to an investigation and subsequently showed inappropriate force. I for
one am certainly not claiming the three areas of government are
perfect. The question for me is, can there be effective and fair
governance without a seemingly inherent and, given enough time,
fundamental corruption claiming dominance?

I reflect on my own history in court and the tendency for truth to
become a victim. The only result can be unjust decisions which I’ve
also experience and by extension my child. At this point I have no
alternative but to trust the power of truth and allow the court to
decide based on truth. Its my job to bring that truth so the court can
do its job.
10x
2009-07-05 17:23:50 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
I understand the position of your argument and don’t disagree with
your observations having been a person who has lived and who’s child
has lived under a misuse of the Family Law. I believe there is a lot
of corruption present in both politics, the legislative process and in
the form those who approach the law with criminal intent. Despite our
shared observations, I can’t forget about the intent of the law to
uphold justice.
The tasing incident at Vancouver airport after some public outcry led
to an investigation and subsequently showed inappropriate force. I for
one am certainly not claiming the three areas of government are
perfect. The question for me is, can there be effective and fair
governance without a seemingly inherent and, given enough time,
fundamental corruption claiming dominance?
I reflect on my own history in court and the tendency for truth to
become a victim. The only result can be unjust decisions which I’ve
also experience and by extension my child. At this point I have no
alternative but to trust the power of truth and allow the court to
decide based on truth. Its my job to bring that truth so the court can
do its job.
Rely on the truth in a courtroom???

You are done....
Meldon
2009-07-05 20:52:14 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by Meldon
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
I understand the position of your argument and don’t disagree with
your observations having been a person who has lived and who’s child
has lived under a misuse of the Family Law. I believe there is a lot
of corruption present in both politics, the legislative process and in
the form those who approach the law with criminal intent. Despite our
shared observations, I can’t forget about the intent of the law to
uphold justice.
The tasing incident at Vancouver airport after some public outcry led
to an investigation and subsequently showed inappropriate force. I for
one am certainly not claiming the three areas of government are
perfect. The question for me is, can there be effective and fair
governance without a seemingly inherent and, given enough time,
fundamental corruption claiming dominance?
I reflect on my own history in court and the tendency for truth to
become a victim. The only result can be unjust decisions which I’ve
also experience and by extension my child. At this point I have no
alternative but to trust the power of truth and allow the court to
decide based on truth. Its my job to bring that truth so the court can
do its job.
Rely on the truth in a courtroom???
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Perhaps but I'm giving the court the benefit of doubt because the
system is based on truth and my defence is truth. You have to uphold
the truth and perhaps that's why the courts seem so unjust because not
enough people, not the court or the law but the litigants lawyers and
legislators, are defending what is true and this allows what is not
true to succeed.

When I use truth as the starting point and my actions have been in
good faith, I can resist the attack because its very difficult to make
a sound argument against truth.
10x
2009-07-05 23:51:32 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by Meldon
Post by 10x
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
I understand the position of your argument and don’t disagree with
your observations having been a person who has lived and who’s child
has lived under a misuse of the Family Law. I believe there is a lot
of corruption present in both politics, the legislative process and in
the form those who approach the law with criminal intent. Despite our
shared observations, I can’t forget about the intent of the law to
uphold justice.
The tasing incident at Vancouver airport after some public outcry led
to an investigation and subsequently showed inappropriate force. I for
one am certainly not claiming the three areas of government are
perfect. The question for me is, can there be effective and fair
governance without a seemingly inherent and, given enough time,
fundamental corruption claiming dominance?
I reflect on my own history in court and the tendency for truth to
become a victim. The only result can be unjust decisions which I’ve
also experience and by extension my child. At this point I have no
alternative but to trust the power of truth and allow the court to
decide based on truth. Its my job to bring that truth so the court can
do its job.
Rely on the truth in a courtroom???
You are done....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Perhaps but I'm giving the court the benefit of doubt because the
system is based on truth and my defence is truth. You have to uphold
the truth and perhaps that's why the courts seem so unjust because not
enough people, not the court or the law but the litigants lawyers and
legislators, are defending what is true and this allows what is not
true to succeed.
When I use truth as the starting point and my actions have been in
good faith, I can resist the attack because its very difficult to make
a sound argument against truth.
It seems that the truth is so seldom heard in a courtroom that the
folks there simply won't recognize it.
I repeat, you are done...
Meldon
2009-07-06 18:07:53 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by Meldon
Post by 10x
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Meldon
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
I understand the position of your argument and don�t disagree with
your observations having been a person who has lived and who�s child
has lived under a misuse of the Family Law. I believe there is a lot
of corruption present in both politics, the legislative process and in
the form those who approach the law with criminal intent. Despite our
shared observations, I can�t forget about the intent of the law to
uphold justice.
The tasing incident at Vancouver airport after some public outcry led
to an investigation and subsequently showed inappropriate force. I for
one am certainly not claiming the three areas of government are
perfect. The question for me is, can there be effective and fair
governance without a seemingly inherent and, given enough time,
fundamental corruption claiming dominance?
I reflect on my own history in court and the tendency for truth to
become a victim. The only result can be unjust decisions which I�ve
also experience and by extension my child. At this point I have no
alternative but to trust the power of truth and allow the court to
decide based on truth. Its my job to bring that truth so the court can
do its job.
Rely on the truth in a courtroom???
You are done....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Perhaps but I'm giving the court the benefit of doubt because the
system is based on truth and my defence is truth. You have to uphold
the truth and perhaps that's why the courts seem so unjust because not
enough people, not the court or the law but the litigants lawyers and
legislators, are defending what is true and this allows what is not
true to succeed.
When I use truth as the starting point and my actions have been in
good faith, I can resist the attack because its very difficult to make
a sound argument against truth.
It seems that the truth is so seldom heard in a courtroom that the
folks there simply won't recognize it.
I repeat, you are done...
I repeat, perhaps. We'll have to wait for the results to make
judgement on it. ;)
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-07-06 18:42:38 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way, that if you
are innocent and/or without means, and/or uneducated, and/or a member
of a discriminated group, you are more likely to end up in prison than
if you are guilty, educated, with money, and a member of the ruling
group.

1) If you are innocent, you are less likely to ask for a lawyer
before opening your mouth. If you are guilty, the onley words coming
from your mouth will be asking for a lawyer. With a lawyer on your
side you will not admit anything, while on your own you will say yes
to anything after a few hours of interrogation.

2) If you have money, you can affor the best lawyer money can buy. If
you are poor, you depend on the public defender. In that case, it is
the rool of the dice if you get an apropriate defense.

3) If you are educated, you will know your rights, and will fight for
them. If you are uneducated, anything the system offers you will
sound like a good deal.

4) If you are a member of a discriminated group, you know that the
system is against you, so you know that any deal before the trial will
be better than going to trial and let the press assassinate your
character. If you are a member of the ruling group, you know that the
system will bend backwards to accomodate you.

VV
10x
2009-07-06 21:44:31 UTC
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way,
1) it is not a "Justice system" - it is a LEGAL SYSTEM
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-07-06 21:45:34 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way,
1) it is not a "Justice system"  - it is a LEGAL SYSTEM
I stand corrected.

VV
E. Barry Bruyea
2009-07-06 22:06:24 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way,
1) it is not a "Justice system" - it is a LEGAL SYSTEM
And they are not really all that close, as friends go.
Moderator
2009-07-08 15:28:06 UTC
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Post by 10x
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way,
1) it is not a "Justice system"  - it is a LEGAL SYSTEM- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Justice can be obtained through the legal system. They're separate but
related as is truth. Its truth that's not getting fair representation
and that's why justice is not being served. Their is no doubt numerous
unjust legislation but that's not to say there is no justice in the
law to be had.
10x
2009-07-08 19:38:37 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
Post by 10x
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT), Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by 10x
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT), Moderator
Post by Moderator
If you are a good person the law is your friend but if you're
fundamentally corrupt and disregard the importance truth and justice,
the law will eventually get you because the law is specifically
designed to catch and punish bad people; even though they may corrupt
truth in the line of justice for personal gain and be successful at it
for a time, their success is unsound and vulnerable to the truth. Bad
people just need to know they are good people inside and allow
themselves to be good. Good people allow bad people the opportunity to
become good.
Tell that to the fellow who was tasered in the vancouver airport,
or to the roudy that was shot in the back in Smithers while in
custody,
or the other prisoner who was shot in the back in Calgary- while in
custody.
Tell that to all those folks who were falsely convicted and then after
years of incarceration were freed due to witness recant, undisclosed
evidence, DNA, or folks admiting to lying.
The so called "Justice" system is designed in such a way,
1) it is not a "Justice system"  - it is a LEGAL SYSTEM- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Justice can be obtained through the legal system. They're separate but
related as is truth. Its truth that's not getting fair representation
and that's why justice is not being served. Their is no doubt numerous
unjust legislation but that's not to say there is no justice in the
law to be had.
litigation is common - Justice is rare ....

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