Paternity Opportunity Program (POP)

[Chris]

"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of a
child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established in
most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not
automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as
possible for the benefit of the child. Unmarried parents can establish
paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing the voluntary Declaration of
Paternity. This can be done in the hospital after the child is born. A
Declaration of Paternity may also be signed by parents after they leave the
hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both parents,
access to important family medical records, access to the non-custodial
parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of knowing who both
parents are."

http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx

The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker them
into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for many years!
The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This Declaration does
absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her children financially.
Just curious: what law states that a child has the "right" to know who their
father is? Notice that NO benefits are ascribed to the paying man. Thus, if
he gets no benefits then whyever would he pay?

[Phil #3]

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of
a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established
in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not
automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as
possible for the benefit of the child. Unmarried parents can establish
paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing the voluntary Declaration of
Paternity. This can be done in the hospital after the child is born. A
Declaration of Paternity may also be signed by parents after they leave
the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for many
years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has the
"right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are ascribed
to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

[Bob W]

Post by Phil #3

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father of
a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically established
in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity establishment is not
automatic and the process should be started by both parents as soon as
possible for the benefit of the child. Unmarried parents can establish
paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing the voluntary Declaration of
Paternity. This can be done in the hospital after the child is born. A
Declaration of Paternity may also be signed by parents after they leave
the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for many
years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has the
"right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are ascribed
to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

Federal aw allows for voluntary declarations of paternity to be rescinded
within 60 days. After 60 days states may allow challenges for fraud,
duress, or material mistake of fact.

My state extends the challenge period to one year. The reasons behind the
one year timeframe are a recognition of the high default rate in paternity
proceedings and the "significant numbers of parents who sign joint
declarations of paternity because of relationship issues, even knowing the
male signatory is not the father."

IOW - My state recognizes mothers sign these forms as a way to lie to a man
and cover-up their knowledge another man is really the father of the child.
In practice if the man who is deceived by the mother cannot figure it out
within a year he is hosed for CS for another man's child. Mom can then go
live with the bio father and collect CS from the deceived father.

[Chris]

Post by Bob W

Post by Phil #3

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father
of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically
established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity
establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both
parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child. Unmarried
parents can establish paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing the
voluntary Declaration of Paternity. This can be done in the hospital
after the child is born. A Declaration of Paternity may also be signed
by parents after they leave the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for many
years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has the
"right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are
ascribed to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever
would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

Federal aw allows for voluntary declarations of paternity to be rescinded
within 60 days. After 60 days states may allow challenges for fraud,
duress, or material mistake of fact.
My state extends the challenge period to one year. The reasons behind the
one year timeframe are a recognition of the high default rate in paternity
proceedings and the "significant numbers of parents who sign joint
declarations of paternity because of relationship issues, even knowing the
male signatory is not the father."
IOW - My state recognizes mothers sign these forms as a way to lie to a
man and cover-up their knowledge another man is really the father of the
child. In practice if the man who is deceived by the mother cannot figure
it out within a year he is hosed for CS for another man's child. Mom can
then go live with the bio father and collect CS from the deceived father.

Which begs the question: Can the mother legally "challenge" such declaration
and rescind the agreed upon paternity? Clearly, the "even knowing" part is
in reference to the man. There is NO way that the government people will
ever provide any law that protects innocent men regarding "child support".

[Bob W]

Post by Chris

Post by Bob W

Post by Phil #3

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father
of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically
established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity
establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by
both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child.
Unmarried parents can establish paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing
the voluntary Declaration of Paternity. This can be done in the
hospital after the child is born. A Declaration of Paternity may also
be signed by parents after they leave the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for
many years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has
the "right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are
ascribed to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever
would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

Federal aw allows for voluntary declarations of paternity to be rescinded
within 60 days. After 60 days states may allow challenges for fraud,
duress, or material mistake of fact.
My state extends the challenge period to one year. The reasons behind
the one year timeframe are a recognition of the high default rate in
paternity proceedings and the "significant numbers of parents who sign
joint declarations of paternity because of relationship issues, even
knowing the male signatory is not the father."
IOW - My state recognizes mothers sign these forms as a way to lie to a
man and cover-up their knowledge another man is really the father of the
child. In practice if the man who is deceived by the mother cannot figure
it out within a year he is hosed for CS for another man's child. Mom can
then go live with the bio father and collect CS from the deceived father.

Which begs the question: Can the mother legally "challenge" such
declaration and rescind the agreed upon paternity? Clearly, the "even
knowing" part is in reference to the man. There is NO way that the
government people will ever provide any law that protects innocent men
regarding "child support".

The "even knowing" part is about the mother. Mothers sign the joint
declarations "even knowing" the man is not the father. The problem is
simple. If the mother decides to rescind the declaration she is admitting
lying, fraud, and signing a legally binding declaration yet there is no
penalty for her deceit.

[Phil #3]

Post by Bob W

Post by Phil #3

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father
of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically
established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity
establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by both
parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child. Unmarried
parents can establish paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing the
voluntary Declaration of Paternity. This can be done in the hospital
after the child is born. A Declaration of Paternity may also be signed
by parents after they leave the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for many
years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has the
"right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are
ascribed to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever
would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

Federal aw allows for voluntary declarations of paternity to be rescinded
within 60 days. After 60 days states may allow challenges for fraud,
duress, or material mistake of fact.
My state extends the challenge period to one year. The reasons behind the
one year timeframe are a recognition of the high default rate in paternity
proceedings and the "significant numbers of parents who sign joint
declarations of paternity because of relationship issues, even knowing the
male signatory is not the father."
IOW - My state recognizes mothers sign these forms as a way to lie to a
man and cover-up their knowledge another man is really the father of the
child. In practice if the man who is deceived by the mother cannot figure
it out within a year he is hosed for CS for another man's child. Mom can
then go live with the bio father and collect CS from the deceived father.

Why a crime, in this case fraud, has such a short time limit for appeal is
telling.
I suspect most men in this type of situation never know "their" children are
not biologically related to them. Those who do often find out the truth
years, even decades after the fact yet I've never heard of a mother being
prosecuted for fraud other than cases where the mother lied to the state to
draw some type of public assistance and then only to the extent the state
was harmed.
Anyone have any data to suggest women who have intentionally perpetuated
paternity fraud being subject to criminal charges for it?
Phil #3

[Dusty]

Post by Phil #3

Post by Bob W

Post by Phil #3

Post by Chris
"Establishing paternity is the process of determining the legal father
of a child. When parents are married, paternity is automatically
established in most cases. If parents are unmarried, paternity
establishment is not automatic and the process should be started by
both parents as soon as possible for the benefit of the child.
Unmarried parents can establish paternity (legal fatherhood) by signing
the voluntary Declaration of Paternity. This can be done in the
hospital after the child is born. A Declaration of Paternity may also
be signed by parents after they leave the hospital.
Unmarried parents who sign the Declaration of Paternity form help their
child(ren) gain the same rights and privileges of a child born within a
marriage. Some of those rights include: financial support from both
parents, access to important family medical records, access to the
non-custodial parent's medical benefits, and the emotional benefit of
knowing who both parents are."
http://www.childsup.ca.gov/Resources/EstablishPaternity/tabid/101/Default.aspx
The above propoganda is targeted to ignorant men in an effort to sucker
them into being legally obligated to hand free money to a woman for
many years! The "financial support from both parents" is untrue. This
Declaration does absolutely NOTHING to cause a mother to support her
children financially. Just curious: what law states that a child has
the "right" to know who their father is? Notice that NO benefits are
ascribed to the paying man. Thus, if he gets no benefits then whyever
would he pay?

Any fool that would sign a declaration of paternity has no clue to the
ability of some women to lie, cheat and steal.
Phil #3

Federal aw allows for voluntary declarations of paternity to be rescinded
within 60 days. After 60 days states may allow challenges for fraud,
duress, or material mistake of fact.
My state extends the challenge period to one year. The reasons behind
the one year timeframe are a recognition of the high default rate in
paternity proceedings and the "significant numbers of parents who sign
joint declarations of paternity because of relationship issues, even
knowing the male signatory is not the father."
IOW - My state recognizes mothers sign these forms as a way to lie to a
man and cover-up their knowledge another man is really the father of the
child. In practice if the man who is deceived by the mother cannot figure
it out within a year he is hosed for CS for another man's child. Mom can
then go live with the bio father and collect CS from the deceived father.

Why a crime, in this case fraud, has such a short time limit for appeal is
telling.
I suspect most men in this type of situation never know "their" children
are not biologically related to them. Those who do often find out the
truth years, even decades after the fact yet I've never heard of a mother
being prosecuted for fraud other than cases where the mother lied to the
state to draw some type of public assistance and then only to the extent
the state was harmed.
Anyone have any data to suggest women who have intentionally perpetuated
paternity fraud being subject to criminal charges for it?
Phil #3

I'm certain that Pimple-X has something from (wait for it.. wait for it..!)
www.NYTimes.com that'll cover it.